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Number of posts: 33 Registration date: 2006-09-07
 | Subject: The Yellow Wallpaper (once you've read it) Thu Sep 07, 2006 8:40 pm | |
| Now that you have read "The Yellow Wallpaper," share a thought about this strange story. What caught your attention? What sticks with you? Does this remind you of any other literature you've read. |
|  | | JohnN

Number of posts: 17 Age: 23 Registration date: 2006-09-08
 | Subject: Re: The Yellow Wallpaper (once you've read it) Fri Sep 08, 2006 2:14 am | |
| As strange as the story may be, I believe that it is not too different from a few of the dystopian novels I have read. Considering that The Yellow Wallpaper was written in the early 1900's (before women could vote, as Mr. Kelso mentioned), it was noticable that the main character's insanity continues to emerge as her husband, John, continues to grasp more control over her life. Compare this to a novel such as Orwell's 1984, where a group of people control all aspects of society, which led to an anti-authoritan movement. In both stories, the characters are driven into insanity due to overpowering control. In The Yellow Wallpaper, John attempts to remedy his wife by keeping her in solitude and fails. However, in 1984, Winston is tortured into a conforming citizen once again.
The stories seem to share the same major idea, but to what success that the character removed the controlling power is different. |
|  | | phNguyen

Number of posts: 15 Registration date: 2006-09-08
 | Subject: The Yellow Wallpaper Fri Sep 08, 2006 3:54 am | |
| The thing I noticed first is that the story begins with the lady already sick, so the narrator's story is hardly reliable. I believe she was already crazy to begin with. She keeps thinking that her husband is lying to her about her sickness and restricting her freedom. I believe the first half is wrong. John her husband is a physician so he knows what is best for her. Even her own brother says that resting helps. The second half is true. However, her freedom is being restricted for a good reason. It is only natural that a sick person rest. If a person has a flu, they don't go run a mile. No, they stay in bed.
Sadly to inform you Mr. Kelso, this story do not remind me of any other literature I read in the past. |
|  | | the_huffanator

Number of posts: 11 Registration date: 2006-09-08
 | Subject: Re: The Yellow Wallpaper (once you've read it) Fri Sep 08, 2006 1:43 pm | |
| First and foremost, i wanted to say this lady is a total cooke and scares the hell out of me. I found myself gazing at my own, beautiful, wallpaper while reading the story, trying to find something wrong with it.
I believe her husband has everything to do with keeping her sick...but it makes me think...he must be doing it for some important reason. She must be even more screwed up when shes not medicated.
FINAL THOUGHTS:
A man's got to do what a man's got to do. |
|  | | Sullivan4
Number of posts: 15 Registration date: 2006-09-08
 | Subject: Re: The Yellow Wallpaper (once you've read it) Fri Sep 08, 2006 9:59 pm | |
| I do believe that John had involvement in her illness. That was obvious. But her reactions when exploring the wallpaper and becoming almost obsessive with it's detail made me think that she was indeed insane without the medications. This might have resulted from being locked in the nursery room, or she might have been locked in the room because of her mental state. Really, I have to agree with Drew that she's creepy. |
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Number of posts: 15 Age: 23 Registration date: 2006-09-08
 | Subject: Re: The Yellow Wallpaper (once you've read it) Fri Sep 08, 2006 11:53 pm | |
| At the end - my first thought was "Was she possessed?" because I thought that maybe there was a ghost - even though it said 'ghostliess' - but still. I'm simple minede - what can i say - but i honestly thought maybe the lady in thw wallpaper got out and switched plces w/ the lady (like in Skeleton Key) and took over. And the main character lady can't switch back because all the wallpaper is gone. So - i thought maybe she was possessed...
But after hearing everyone's thoughts - i don't know - haha. But - that was my first thought. I pictured her having this twisted smile on her face when she said to John:
"I've got out at last" ... "in spite of you and Jane. And I've pulled off most of the paper, so you can't put me back!"
so that is what lead me to belive she was possessed also. =D I really liked the story - such a twist - heart it! |
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Number of posts: 15 Age: 23 Registration date: 2006-09-08
 | Subject: Re: The Yellow Wallpaper (once you've read it) Sat Sep 09, 2006 1:49 am | |
| I made my mom read it @_@ haha - and she thinks the "eyes" she sees are the buttons like in a padded room~~ you know??? I didn't think of that - yeah - my mom also thinks she is in an insanesilum |
|  | | NataliaJones

Number of posts: 16 Age: 22 Localisation: Scripps Ranch Registration date: 2006-09-08
 | Subject: Re: The Yellow Wallpaper (once you've read it) Sat Sep 09, 2006 7:58 am | |
| We had such a great discussion in class today about the yellow wallpaper, that it got the wheels in my mind turning moreso than when I first originally read it. I'm still of an unpopular opinion that the husband is actually doing what's correct morally, while the lady is actually quite insane. Here are some of the arguments that I found counterarguments to very quickly: "He and the rest of the family kept her locked up." This may be true, but I have no recollection of them actually locking it, but rather it was her own decision to stay up there. The one time it did mention it was when the lady herself actually locked the door to keep the maid and everyone out, not herself in, and threw the key out of the window.
"He has evil intentions because he doesn't want her to write." Now this one I thought I figured out pretty well. Now, my opinion is that her case gets worse the more she writes. She's seeing things, she's acknowledging them, but when she affirms it within her entire being in the creation process of writing, she confirms her insane plots that are more permanent to her mind than if she did not. The more time passed by, the more she described the wallpaper in more detail. Writing put her further into her own little world, farther away from her husband, who in her writing started to look suspicious or more cruel by the setting he put her in. I think he recognizes that the writing may have in the past made her nervous condition worse, and so keeps her from doing it.
"He was having an affair, he was gone so much." You would think so. They're on vacation, they're renting this house in a place where they probably haven't been before, and she's supposed to be recovering. Why would a husband leave the home instead of tending to his wife, or at least absorbing all of his intentions to her. Is it possible that he found new friends in this new place so quickly, or would invite old friends without letting them see her? Well, I see it as this. It reminds me enormously of Jane Eyre, of the character Mr. Rochester. He had an insane wife (who progressively got that way I'm sure, no man in his right mind would marry an insane woman if he could truly help it) who he had to start keeping in a safe room for her own interests as well as his. It wasn't that he was evil or had evil intentions towards her. It was because he had a reputation, and a life he wanted to live, and she ceased to be a human being and was quite disruptive to any way of normal living that could be held in that mansion of theirs. I think The Yellow Wallpaper is the stage right before Mr. Rochester. The lady isn't quite completely insane until the end, when her husband faints at the realization that her condition was more than mere nerves. I have no doubt that he will probably do like Mr. Rochester has done and lock her up for her and his and the world's own good until she can get better.
And also, if he was going to have an affair, he would have probably hide his child away as well, unless of course his mistress loved to see his insane wife's child around. He's a doctor, if he was making his wife go crazy by medication, couldn't he kill his own child. I suppose divorce and custody were just not worth going through the trouble back then. If you wanted a new fling, you'd have to get rid of all previous ties to do so. The quickest way is insanity and death. But I don't think he'd do that, I expect the highest from him as a doctor, and that any slant on him would only be because it is of the opinionated of a crazy woman.
Now I have other opinions on the book that quite interested me. There was the idea that the maid was watching the wallpaper, nose touching practically which is a sign of insanity. This is my theory of what I think of that scene: I think her husband noticed her wife staring at the wallpaper during the night and wonders what she sees in it. He investigates it by passing moments, but doesn't have the time as he's usually out doing work or calling on friends or newly made acquaintances, and taking care of the child. How I see it is that he talks with the maid to look at the wallpaper to discover what it is that is triggering the illness for his wife. As a doctor he probably figured that maybe there was something to the smell, the print or the feel of it that caused something in his wife's nerves to go haywire. The maid would have to go close to smell its smell, and just as the lady comes in, tells her a lie to keep the investigation a secret for the sake of her nerves, and merely tells her a fact that is probably true. A maid would notice the stains and would find ways to prevent it, one of which is stopping the source, or informing her masters where the culprit lies. It makes her job easier. |
|  | | Jess.M.Period1
Number of posts: 14 Registration date: 2006-09-09
 | Subject: Re: The Yellow Wallpaper (once you've read it) Sat Sep 09, 2006 10:54 pm | |
| I found this story to be really intriguing and it left me with a lot of unanswered questions. I personally believe that the husband was trying to make her nervous habits into something worse. I asked myself why the husband chose the freaky, horror-movie nursery room for her to spend three months in, when there were other, brighter rooms in the house. I first immediately began to think that the husband was trying to kill her or at least make her condition worse. I thought the yellow on the walls were a fungus or something of that nature, that if left exposed to, you will slowly become insane until you die. I thought the husband, being a doctor would know this and would want to stay as far away as possible, which can explain why he was gone all the time (except for when he had to sleep in the room). I think that the possible reasons for why he would want to kill his wife might be that he was embarrassed of her socially unacceptable behavior, or maybe she really was crazy and he preferred her dead rather than submitted to an insane asylum. The only people who saw his wife was family, people who he could trust with her unstable mental health. |
|  | | Admin Admin

Number of posts: 33 Registration date: 2006-09-07
 | Subject: A Fable about Post-Partem Depression? Sat Sep 09, 2006 11:34 pm | |
| Some critics have said that "The Yellow Wallpaper" is a morality story about the effects of postpartem depression. We do know that the protagonist has a child, so perhaps she has been put in the room because of her depression. If this is the case, it causes the reader to see the husband in an entirely different light.
What do you think? |
|  | | NataliaJones

Number of posts: 16 Age: 22 Localisation: Scripps Ranch Registration date: 2006-09-08
 | Subject: Re: The Yellow Wallpaper (once you've read it) Sun Sep 10, 2006 4:45 pm | |
| Postpartum depression.... I knew it was the evil, devil child's fault the entire time! We have found the villain! No, honestly, I knew the husband had isolated her for a good reason. It would hurt his reputation more if people found he wasn't doing it, and afraid that the postpartum depression would cause her to ruin herself in society, and let her condition get worse. That’s too bad for her, if we really look at the evidence, the husband “caused it”, but maybe he didn’t plan the sickness (but babies aren’t on accident,  ) After a little research I found that most cases last from a month to a year, so it would make sense that she would be kept from the one-year old child because of the dangerous mood swings, depression, restlessness and anxiety. But I truly think she has postpartum psychosis, the one that causes the patient to "refuse to eat, have frantic energy, sleep disturbance, paranoia and irrational thoughts" (1). These cases are usually hospitalized, so I would think it would be very sensible to take her out into the country to air out a little bit, isolated in her room. Her husband was probably afraid of her, but didn't abandon her all together. But it can be treated, whether they had the medication or therapies for postpartum back then are out of my knowledge, but I definitely think she has all the symptoms for postpartum psychosis. (1) http://newsinhealth.nih.gov/2005/December/docs/01features_02.htm |
|  | | cathycal8
Number of posts: 10 Registration date: 2006-09-10
 | Subject: Re: The Yellow Wallpaper (once you've read it) Sun Sep 10, 2006 4:48 pm | |
| After reading The Yellow Wallpaper I was a little creeped out by the ending. The way the narrator descibed herself having to creep over her husband made me think of the little girl from the ring for some reason. I could see her with this crazy hair everywhere slowly making her way towards the entrance of the nursery or something. However, my interpretation of the story was that this woman's husband John was keeping her locked up in this room all day because he thought she was slightly off the edge already and keeping her away would benefit their family and their reputation, or maybe he was having affairs with other women in town and didn't want her to find out. Either way, I feel that her husband John just wanted to keep her away from the world around her and the isolation led her to create her own crazy world. |
|  | | nicklake
Number of posts: 12 Registration date: 2006-09-10
 | Subject: Re: The Yellow Wallpaper (once you've read it) Sun Sep 10, 2006 5:44 pm | |
| It seems like this whole episode may have already happened in the past with other people. The wallpaper has some mystic power to suck anyone that sees it in. The woman writing was already insecure in ways, and also spent the most time in the room with the wallpaper, so she was brought along the furthest. It said the paper was torn in spots already, but she just assumed it was kids. It seems like other people might have freaked out just like the woman did. There was even a groove in the wall that her shoulder fit right in to.
The house was probably as cheap and empty because it had the reputation to drive people insane. |
|  | | elanafink1

Number of posts: 12 Registration date: 2006-09-10
 | Subject: Re: The Yellow Wallpaper (once you've read it) Sun Sep 10, 2006 7:25 pm | |
| Well personally, as far as a feminist viewpoint is concerned regarding the beginning of the 20th century, the character at fault here is the husband. Even in class we were discussing the high rate of women who were sent to insane assylums at this time, and it all revolves around the demands made of them by the society at the time. If men hadn't created such an ideal that required woman to look only one way to be beautiful and act one way to be desireable, it isn't doubtful that those rates would have plummeted. How would you like being couped up which no way to express yourself to another human being? Those emotions boil up and eventually have to come out in some form or another...and that usually implies going insane. |
|  | | mar89

Number of posts: 13 Registration date: 2006-09-10
 | Subject: The Yellow Wallpaper Sun Sep 10, 2006 8:56 pm | |
| Personally, I really enjoyed this story. Ever since I was young, I've always liked reading mystery and suspense stories over romantic love stories. The first time I read it was after school on the day the assignment was made, and my first impression of the main character was that she was completely insane! I took AP Psychology last year so I knew there had to be something mentally wrong with her. As I continued to read, I began to feel that her the main character's husband was the main reason for her insanity, because he would always keep her cooped up in her bedroom, did not allow her to socialize with anyone outside of her family, and left her to be by herself for long periods of time. As a doctor, he should have diagnosed her for being mentally unstable, or done something to cure her, but he never did.
I thought it was clever how the wallpaper in the nursery room symbolized the impressionment of the woman, and as the story progessed and her insanity grew stronger, the woman became apart of the wallpaper. I actually read this story three times over, and the first time I read it I thought that at the end of the story she committed suicide, due to her husband's reaction when he walked into her room. But then I realized that the mere idea of finding the woman you love "creeping" around her room with tattered wallpaper and scrapes on the wall would cause just about anyone to faint.
I was also wondering whether or not she was actually staying in an abandoned house, or if she was brought to a mental institute by her husband. That would explain why there were bars on the window, and the bed was nailed to the floor. Perhaps the women creeping outside were other women from the institute, out for their afternoon walk, and the main character was just so paranoid about life that she thought that the women came out of the wallpaper.
As I mentioned in class, the Yellow Wallpaper reminded me of the book Sybil which is about a young woman who suffers from multiple personality disorder. In the beginning of the book, Sybil has a mild condition where she believes that she is a couple different people. As the story enhances, Sybil's condition grows considerably worse and comes to the point where her different personalities are causing her to do harmful things to others and herself. The woman from Sybil and the woman from the Yellow Wallpaper remind me of one another because they both start out as semi-normal people, but then become paranoid, frightening, destructive individuals.
All around I found this story to be suspensful and exciting! |
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